and pakistan and already things are teetering on the verge of collapse. >> we've heard that the pakistan head of intelligence is heading to washington. we don't know who he's meeting with, but why do you think he's here? >> right, the head of the isi. we're in a situation where the relationship between the united states and pakistan, as troubled as it, has to be salvaged. the pakistanis need the united stat, if for no other reason, they really need the $2 billion in aid that we send them just this year alone, and the united states desperately needs pakistan. it's an incredible strategic importance. it's the primary military route for aid into afghanistan, so i think what's happening now is that calmer heads are starting to prevail, and i think if these one-on-one talks with the head of the cia and the head of the isi and perhaps with secretary clinton, you're going to see an opportunity to salvage this very important but very tense and troubled relationship. >> indeed. thanks so much for your insight. >>> next, the murdoch hacking scandal moves to the halls of capitol hill. stay with us.